Compared to VBSeo

[freshfroot]

Originally Posted by ssslippy

Unfortunally VBSeo is a company now and more or less stuck with a set. I doubt they will change so quickly.

what I dislike about them is their advertising tactics. They basically spam EVERY thread, which has any matter relating to vBSEO. You will find a member asking at vB if vBSEO is good and they are aiming the questions to member. Then out of no where, you'll always see a vBSEO representative (Joe mostly), spam the thread saying they should buy vBSEO.

Anyways, vBSEO is in my past now and I have a good feeling Nuhits and NuSEO are going to be the new future soon.

[MaestroX]

A thing that just let vbseo down for me, is I've found that they moderate their forums (obviously in their favour) . For a long time they've stood by the "We don't moderate our forums to remove posts/threads that show vbseo in a bad light" stance. I've seen otherwise

It just shows they're not honest at all.

[hornstar6969]

Yeah I found out that as well recently when they removed my thread when I asked them to compare vbseo and nuseo. That was the first thing that really let me down as well.

[Alfa1]

Although I am not to fond of the way they do things either I think it is wise to avoid competition bashing & potential mud fights and just concentrate on comparing features.
But that's just my opinion.

[MaestroX]

I think it was in your thread hornstar. I posted a balanced overview with my views on both products.

@Alfa

I'm sure you can agree that its dishonest to lie to customers. They've always said they don't moderate their forums and I've seen otherwise.

[ElfMage]

 

Guys, I know that some of you are customers of vbSEO.

I think that healthy competition benefits the market, customers and community. And will result in higher quality products, and products that are more in tune with the market needs.

However, let's use this forum only to compare feature sets, performance, server load, etc.

If you have any complains about our competitors products, policies or practices, please direct them to their forums.

Thanks.

[vBSEO]

Hello all,

I'm Juan Muriente, founder and CEO of Crawlability, Inc. and project manager for vBSEO. I've been following this thread for a while now, and would like to address various of the concerns expressed in the most recent posts.

Originally Posted by freshfroot

what I dislike about them is their advertising tactics. They basically spam EVERY thread, which has any matter relating to vBSEO. You will find a member asking at vB if vBSEO is good and they are aiming the questions to member. Then out of no where, you'll always see a vBSEO representative (Joe mostly), spam the thread saying they should buy vBSEO.

There is a LOT of misinformation regarding seo for vBulletin out there. One of Joe's tasks is rectifying these misconceptions wherever they occur. Since, yes, vbseo addresses most seo flaws in vB, his forum posts may strike as "advertising tactics". That said, I DO agree on the fact that we do need to modify this approach while still maintaining a presence in forums out there. This is being corrected at this precise moment.

Originally Posted by MaestroX

A thing that just let vbseo down for me, is I've found that they moderate their forums (obviously in their favour) . For a long time they've stood by the "We don't moderate our forums to remove posts/threads that show vbseo in a bad light" stance. I'v seen otherwise

It just shows they're not honest at all.

That thread was not deleted but moved to the internal forums by one of the staff members while awaiting further instructions from the admins. I've restored the thread here.

Originally Posted by hornstar6969

Yeah I found out that as well recently when they removed my thread when I asked them to compare vbseo and nuseo. That was the first thing that really let me down as well.

My apologies Matt. As I said above, the thread has been restored. In addition, you asked for a comparison of vbseo and nuseo: I intend to start a series of blog articles where I describe the intricacies of vbseo's development approach as well as the level of granularity at which every SEO aspect is analyzed and implemented in such a way that will maximize your search engine positioning.

My first blog post will most likely explain the "link consensus" principle and how vbseo applies it to threads specifically, and how it compares with every rewrite solution out there: zoints, vrewrite, dcseo, daniweb and nuseo. Since I suspect you are considering switching to nuseo (I see you still have vbseo installed), I'll simply copy/paste a message I recently sent to one of our users who has migrated to nuseo:

Originally Posted by Juan Muriente

Hello,

I'm Juan Muriente, founder of Crawlability and project manager for vBSEO.

I notice that you have removed vBSEO while installing another rewriting solution. Is there any specific reason for your decision?

I thought I would let you know that after taking a quick glance at your site, I found out that your current link structure DOES NOT provide optimal SEO as it creates multiple instances for each thread URL while not redirecting goto-post, next-thread and previous-thread links to the main resource (thread) along with the appropriate anchor location.

Example:
The last post link (here) for this thread:

Lands on:

Which is a duplicate instance of:

Furthermore, the same thread is accessible via the two following content relevant URLs:

This second issue worsens the scenario as it actively displays yet another instance of the original resource (thread) using keywords relevant to a completely different thread.

Those are only a few of over 10 different issues I was able to identify that create a less than optimal scenario for your forum content's search engine positioning.

At this point I'm most interested in learning what made you decide to switch away from vBSEO, as I'm hoping your valuable feedback will help me improve my product or service to keep my customers on-board, and happy.

Best regards,
Juan

Originally Posted by Alfa1

Although I am not to fond of the way they do things either I think it is wise to avoid competition bashing & potential mud fights and just concentrate on comparing features.
But that's just my opinion.

That's right. However, we have a no censor policy and we will stick to it.

Originally Posted by MaestroX

I think it was in your thread hornstar. I posted qa balanced overview with my views on both products.

I think that's reasonable.

[ragtek]

i don't think that my site Startseite - Rapmatics.com is good optimized!
i have nuseo for 2 days and in this 2 days i didn't realy had the time to expose/explain(don't know the right english word for it), so you shouldn't take my site too show how bad the system is i think

[vBSEO]

Originally Posted by ragtek

i don't think that my site Startseite - Rapmatics.com is good optimized!
i have nuseo for 2 days and in this 2 days i didn't realy had the time to expose/explain(don't know the right english word for it), so you shouldn't take my site too show how bad the system is i think

This is a mixup, the forum in question has changed owners while also migrating to nuseo, so I thought I was talking to the current owner via private message @ vbseo.com.

Re: time to fix your seo
It's not your fault. It's a flaw in nuseo, which should be corrected very soon I would expect.

[ssslippy]

NuSeo has some flaws and its still quite new. Less then a month old. Alot of early bugs have been fixed and many many features added.

Nuseo has some work and the above mentioned I never noticed. Personally I hate those links at the bottom of threads. However I havnt seen many flaws in their seo.

I personally can say I havnt run all the modules nuseo rewrites thats a vbadvanced error.

[freshfroot]

Hmm vBSEO is a premium user? Guess they want to check out the coding for nuhit products.

Oh well, good luck to you Juan. I've officially left vBSEO, due to most of your staff members rude tactics.

[vBSEO]

Originally Posted by freshfroot

Hmm vBSEO is a premium user? Guess they want to check out the coding for nuhit products.

Yes, I purchased a vbwiki license and a partially encrypted nuseo license in the past, but I shouldn't be addressing this if that's what you are trying to imply.

[freshfroot]

Originally Posted by vBSEO

Yes, I purchased a vbwiki license and a partially encrypted nuseo license in the past, but I shouldn't be addressing this if that's what you are trying to imply.

Nice buy, there very good products I'm sure you like them too.

BTW, I wasn't implying anything towards you, but rather your staff members.

[ElfMage]

 

Originally Posted by vBSEO

Hello all,

I'm Juan Muriente, founder and CEO of Crawlability, Inc. and project manager for vBSEO.

Hi Juan, welcome to NuHIT Forums. Feel free to post about vbSEO, or address any concerns your customers may have.

Now, I believe that there may be a bit of miss-information in this message you sent to one of the users who migrated to NuSEO.PHP. I am sure this was unintentional, so let me clarify this.

If you take a look at vBulletin’s stock SHOWTHREAD template, you will see that the “next thread” and “previous thread” anchors have a rel=”nofollow” attribute specified by vBulletin’s team.

This means that Search Engine bots will not follow these links, and simply ignore them. Hence this will not affect your site and pages Search Engine Results Page positioning. Here is an excerpt from vBulletin’s default SHOWTHREAD template showing this:

 

<a href="showthread.php?$session[sessionurl]t=$threadid&amp;goto=nextoldest" rel="nofollow">$vbphrase[prev_thread]</a>
|
<a href="showthread.php?$session[sessionurl]t=$threadid&amp;goto=nextnewest" rel="nofollow">$vbphrase[next_thread]</a>

However, some of our customers have requested that we show the target thread title in those URLs (link to the feature request: Previous Thread / Next Thread - NuHIT - SEO, Wiki, Forums). This feature is implemented, and it can be seen in action here at nuhit.com (or by upgrading to the latest NuSEO.PHP release). Be advised that we do not recommend that this feature be enabled (it defaults to disabled). This feature will add 2 extra DB queries (hitting site performance and server load), and it doesn’t make a difference from a SEO perspective, in our opinion.

As far as the “Go to Last Post” URLs, we added the feature to forward to the thread URLs. This is implemented. Feel free to download the latest NuSEO.PHP release from the Premium Members Area.

Now, with this feature we went a step further. Rather than rewriting the “Go To Last Post” URLs as
 

/forums/nuseo-pre-sales-and-feedback/1213-compared-to-vbseo-post7877.html#post7877

whenever NuSEO.PHP is able to, it uses the target thread directly. Example:
 

/forums/nuseo-pre-sales-and-feedback/1394-nuseo-php-v1-6-released.html#post7492

This means that in cases where NuSEO.PHP is able to do this, a 301 redirect is avoided. To see this go to a forum display page, and see the go to last post anchors.

Anyways, if you have any other questions about NuSEO.PHP's functioning, let me know...

[kafi]

Sorry to interupt your comparison posts, but here is my opinion on this thread.

People will always show emotions and that is naturall. Although there is a good way to keep them "organized" and avoid useless battles.
I agree with ElfMage, lets concentrate on feature comparison
I welcome NuHit competence against vBSEO althoug I do not have anything against their business. My concerns used to be only "no copyright removal". But at the time they were the only one on the market and they stated their offer (take it or leave it).
Nowadays we have competition here. I thanks to NuHIT and also VbSEO that theay in this business. It is good for us afterall - us vbulletin users.
Sometimes is hard to stay in this add-on developement business as we can see many provideres are quiting. vBSEO is behiving as business tiger with their tactics and that keeps them alive
On the other hand I much prefer NuHit approach and have a more than a good experience with ElfMage custommer approach (not only support) - it is very personal (which I believe can be very exhausting).
The other thing I like on NuHIT is the add-on package they developing. I would rather stick with them and support their developement than with one-product company (although one-product company has its advantage in focusing only on one product ). Uff guys - you in hard business enviroment here, I am thankfull you in

Ok back to the NuSEO and vBSEO comparison.

I am testing NuSEO mostly due to server load features. I have bought vbSEO in the time when I was on shared server and my provider wanted to kicked me off due to server load. I had to uninstall vBSEO. I have installed vbSEO back on my dedicated server. Again server load jumped, but since I am only one on the server I "can live with it".
I do not know what is behind vbSEO so slow, I have switched to very simple url rewrite script from vb.org (DCSEO) which didnt caused almost any higher server load - but lacked some features - mostly correct foreing characters rewirte rule.

Thank you vBSEO and NuHIT you here My advise to VBSEO - consider on developing other scripts too (nowadays we have dead visionscript and vbgeek add-ons. They both offered their business.). Also I can imagine there is many scripts at vb.org without real support and developement worth to take on board (just one example - ZointsTAGs) that vbulletin community will rather buy than risk the free stuff on board (althoug paid add-ons are dying too).